Was Atlantis in the New World?

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Old Postcard of Cholula Pyramid near Puebla Mexico.

Hello dear readers,

We continue to work on the mystery of where the heck was Atlantis and why do some scholars and historians think it was in the New World, and more specifically, why do they think it was in or close to Mexico? Was Atlantis in the New World? If you missed our earlier post, you may want to check it out here.

What Makes Mexico Similar to Atlantis?

Well, for one thing the architecture and layout of the place is very very similar to the description of Atlantis. The Great Pyramid at Cholula has a circular layout very similar to the circular layout that Plato described when describing Poseidon, the capital of Atlantis. Cholula has an enormous base, actually the biggest platform of any pyramid that has been found so far in the world.

Why isn’t there anything left of Cholula? The stones of Cholula were looted to build the bases and buildings of many of the cathedrals and churches in the area. The pyramid was once thought to have a jade Quetzalcoatl on top but that, too, was stolen by the Spanish.

Also, the Cholula pyramid has a stepped design similar to the Ziggurats of Babylon. Toltec legend claims the pyramid was built at the command of seven giants. The seven giants somehow survived the great flood. Toltecs believed that the pyramid was built so that the seven giants could climb to heaven. The legend said that the Gods destroyed the pyramid with fire as well as convoluting the giants’ languages. Therefore, they were unable to reach heaven and could not even understand each other. End of story.

The Aztec Calendar Disturbs the Early Church

Another Atlantean-type conspiracy theory is that the early Aztecs seemed to have way more information than they should have. This is evidenced by their astounding Aztec calendar.

Another thing that the early Church found very disturbing was the Aztec calendar. The Aztecs seemed to have an earlier date for creation than the Church did. The Aztec calendar of eighteen months with twenty days with the added five day period at the end of the year created a unease within the Church. It seemed to be identical to the 360 day calendar of the oldest civilization of Egypt, an unsettling fact to Church scholars who know that Egyptians held that their god Thoth had shared the calendar with other cultures. Not only that, but Thoth shared the knowledge of language, astronomy, and mathematics to other civilizations. is this where the Aztecs got their fancy calendar?

Aztec Maya Calendar Postcard

In 1790, workmen in Mexico City discovered a huge flat stone buried under mud. After cleaning, it was found to be perfectly round and intricately carved on the bottom. This star calendar was a single slab of basalt twelve feet across, three feet thick, and weighing over twenty tons. The legendary clock of the Aztecs had been found!

First hand accounts of people who traveled with Pizarro told of a great golden calendar disk at Cuzco, Peru. However, Pizarro had melted in down into gold ingots. Any further discoveries of calendars were destroyed by Cortez and the Church. However, this giant calendar was just to big to be broken and destroyed so it was buried face down Tenochtitlan. When the drains lake became part of Mexico City, it once again showed up.

Although referred to as the Aztec Calendar, it is actually much older even than the time of the Maya most likely.

Unlike common thought, the Aztec Stone disc calendar was not necessarily an altar of sacrifice. Instead it was a complex triple calendar that measured the movements of the stars and the planets, which equated to Aztec thought as to the movement of the gods. Each day had a specific meaning and number. Each day and group of days had their own god as well.

To say that the Aztec calendar is complicated, is an understatement. It contains a knowledge of star tracking and the concepts of Precession of the Equinoxes that would require observing and recording Earth’s movements for at least 26,000 years!

All This to Say, it is Very Complicated

So, dear reader, we are once again left with a conundrum. Were the Aztecs actually ancestors of the ancient Atlanteans who somehow made their way to this area of Mexico City? Was this area actually Atlantis all along? Was Aztlan somewhere else? Is Aztlan really Atlantis?

It seems certain that the Aztecs had a higher intelligence and knowledge. Was it obtained from the Egyptian sharing of knowledge? It has been proven that Egyptians could have made their way to this area of the world on rudimentary craft (don’t get us started on that train of thought!).

Were they so smart because they were ancestors of Atlanteans? Were they just maybe THAT SMART? a

We continue to delve into this and hope you have enjoyed this little snippet of information.

Thank you for stopping by –

Jaja in for Madam X

We obtained part of our information from this great website:

https://www.ancient.eu/article/896/the-aztec-calendar/

and this book, Atlantis in America by Ivar Zapp and George Erikson.

Is Aztlan the Real Atlantis?

Is this Atzlan?

Hello dear Readers,

We have had several inquiries recently about whether or not Aztlan is actually Atlantis. Could the mysterious and mystical Aztland actually be the true Atlantis?

And if not, where the heck was Aztlan anyway? Therefore, we continue to research this and get information to you, dear readers.

A quick update on Madam X indicates that she is now trekking the Appalacian Trail (we know!). Is it even safe during this time of pandemic? Is she wearing a mask? No one knows. She doesn’t check in! Staff here at HQ continue to plod along, attempting to answer your questions and research bizarre and unexplainable happenings in the desert.

Anyway, to our question of the ages:

Was Aztlan Actually Atlantis?

The Aztecs of Mexico had one of the most powerful empires of the ancient Americas. That is not in question. There is a great deal known about the Aztecs. We know, for example, that the Aztecs lived close to Mexico City. However, there is not so much known about where and how they got started.

So… the legend of Aztlan continues. Was it a real location and if so, is it the site of the real Atlantis? Or is it just another myth?

Aztlan was where the Aztec people emerged from the earth through seven caves at Chicomonstoc. The legend says  that seven tribes emerged from this earthly portal – the Acolhua, Chalca, Mexica, Tepaneca, Tlahuica, Tlaxcalan, and Xochimilca peoples. These tribes left the Chicomoztoc caves and settled at Aztlan.

Quetzalcoatl Temple in Mexico. Postcard. Is this part of the lost Atlantis?

What does Aztlan EVEN Mean?

Aztlan in Nuahuatl (ancient language of the Aztec people) means “place of cranes” or “place of whiteness” (referring to the cranes’ white feathers). One legend says that it is located northwest of the Aztec capital (Tenochititlan) and was an island rising from a lake.

The Aztecs lived at Atzlan until a further migration took them to Tula. Tula is located about 50 miles north of Mexico City. Tula is further believed by some to be Tollan, the legendary capital of the Toltecs.

Is the Atlantis Theory Valid or Just Crazy Talk?

There is some validity to the theory that Aztlan was Atlantis. For example, the words Atlas and Atlantic are not European words. There is no similar etymology in any European language.

Atl in Nahuatl language means water.  No surprise there. It is in the indigenous languages of the Americas that we find all of the atl words – atlan meaning “border of or in water” and is where we get the word Atlantic. There is also the word atlaca meaning “to emerge from water” and atlas is, of course, the origin of the word Atlas.

There are many other similar Atlantis-sounding place names all through the Americas.

Quetzalcoatl Temple from Postcard. Does this look like Atlantis imagery to you?

Then Where Did Aztlan Go?

Our theory here at HQ is that it was an island which was also destroyed and then sunk to the bottom of the lake underneath what is now Mexico City.

Other scholars claim that it was not in the area around Mexico City at all, but in the Four Corners region of the U.S. Southwest.

Yet another theory says that Aztlan was in Utah. Cecilio Orozco has written two books on this subject, “the Book of the Sun, Tonatiuh” and “Las Letras del Licenciado Alfonso Rivas Salmon.” Orozco said that he found evidence of a glyph in Sego Canyon in Utah from around 500 B.C. which corresponds to the Aztec calendar.

Yucatan Pyramid Postcard. Could this be part of a lost Atlantis?

Whoa… Blythe, California?

Another theory is that Aztlan is today’s Blythe, California, but we will save that theory for more in-depth discussion. Be reading Alfredo Acosta Figueroa’s fascinating book “Ancient Footprints of the Colorado River: La Cuna de Aztlan” so you can be prepared for that exciting historical discussion.

Like all of the mysteries of the Southwest, this one continues to stymy and perplex the scholars and conspiracy-theorists.

Atlantis has been claimed to be Aztlan, somewhere in  Mount Shasta, under Sedona, and destroyed in the Bermuda Triangle. These are just a few. Send us your favorite wild theory on where Atlantis is or was !

We will probably never know the mysteries of Atlantis but may be able to someday unravel the mysteries of Aztlan with your help, dear and faithful readers.

Stay tuned!

Climately Challenged Yours –

JaJa standing in for Madam X

Thanks to these websites for some helpful information about Aztlan:

mexica.net/nahuatl/map.php

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-myths-legends-americas/lost-city-aztlan-legendary-homeland-aztecs-002550http://ancient origins

Looking for Pancho’s Lost Gold in Yuma, Arizona

Yuma County has lots of stories about lost gold and the men who searched for them. This story comes from Thomas Penfield’s book, “Dig Here!” and tells a wild tale about an Indian named Pancho and his lost gold mine.

It seems Pancho was a Tonto Apache Indian on the San Carlos Reservation in northeastern Arizona with a good friend named Jose Alvarado, When Pancho’s young son became seriously ill, Jose’s family nursed him back to health.

The Alvarado family moved to Palomas in Yuma County, in the southwestern part of the state, before Pancho could repay Jose for his kindness.

Pancho went to visit Jose in Palomas and told him about a lost gold mine nearby and that he would take him there as gratitude for caring for his son. Jose agreed to meet but brought his friends, not a great idea, as the buddies immediately started causing trouble. Pancho and Jose agreed to split up, but not before arranging a secret rendezvous for later.

At the rendezvous, Jose once again shows up with his friends making it impossible for Pancho to show Jose the exact location of the lost gold mine. However, Pancho gave Jose explicit instructions on how to find the treasure. The men camped there for the night but Pancho snuck away that night. Jose never saw him again.

Jose never did look for the gold for whatever reason. However, on his death bed, he did divulge the location to his son. It was near the second meeting place where they camped and beside a dry wash. A pair of deer antlers was a marker for the location.

The son searched and searched but never found the hidden treasure of the lost gold mine.

The location according to “Dig Here!” Is somewhere on or near the Little Horn Mountains in northern Yuma County or the southern end of La Paz County.

Fact or Fiction? Hard to know as the Native Americans loved to tell white people tall tales about lost gold and hidden treasure. This is a legend told by both the Apaches and Indians in the Yuma area. There is a lot of gold mining done in Yuma and La Paz Counties.

Gila Bend is Number One! In UFO Sightings in North America, That Is

What makes Gila Bend number one? Gila Bend is number one in UFO sightings per capita in both the United States and Canada making it the number one UFO hotspot in North America.

While the town boosts a population of only 2,000, numerous reports come in from both townsfolk as well as people passing through. Going through Gila Bend is one way to avoid driving through Phoenix when on the way to Tucson. It is scenic and a nice drive.

To say it is a UFO hotspot is an understatement!

Gila Bend, Arizona, a small southwestern town south of Phoenix, gets the award for the most UFO sightings in the USA and Canada as reported by the National UFO Reporting Center.
The median signting per 100,000 people is 100. Gila Bend outdoes itself with a median sighitng of 1,194 sightings per 100,000 population. Wow!

Another Arizona location that made the top ten list was Sedona with 668 UFO sightings per 100,000 people. Of course, Sedona is already famous for its vortexes and strange energy. We have seen UFOs in the Sedona area and travel there several times a year to recharge our batteries.

The Gila Bend Lodge’s iconic theme and decor was the brainchild of the former owner and a marketing gimmick for his restaurant and motel with locations in both Arizona and California. The California estalishment is long gone but the Gila Bend eatery and motel live on, no doubt fueled by the amazing amount of UFO sightings in the area. We have not seen any UFOs in Gila Bend ourselves but travel through there two to three times a year and always stop for a burger and the salad bar. We will definitely pay closer attention to the sky next time we go through!

Let us know, dear reader, if you have seen a UFO in or around Gila Bend. We would love to hear from you!

What about this Area of UFO Unrest – Dolan Springs AZ

Gentle Readers,

Madam X is back in the Mojave with another installment of the weird and untimely. And what better place to start than Dolan Springs?

Who would have thought it?

Who would have thought this guy was a UFO Spiritual Master?

UFO Religious Leader
A. Able

Not many people would take Dolan Springs, Arizona, as a hot bed of UFO unrest but then, there is is.

In the early 1990’s oldtimers in the area spoke of UFOs coming out of a nearby mountain. The theory was that this was a top secret military air base and those weren’t really alien-type UFOs from another planet, but our country’s own top secret military aircraft.

And yet, here we are thirty years later and the USA is still not using any saucer shaped air vehicles to transport soldiers around in OR using in a military capacity OR using for drone strikes. Or anything.

In the 1990’s, you could join the SULC

Then during the 1990’s, in comes a fellow determined to ramrod and harness these theories and sightings into possibly a money making enterprise. A man known as Mr. A. Able started his own church in Dolan Springs, called the Space Universal Life Church aka SULC with the mantra “Discover a new happiness!” For a time, the church did have members and was actually constructing a church building in Dolan Springs but that project was abandoned.

Not much is known about Mr. Able and if he is still in the area or even what his first name was. Abel Able? Abraham Able? Bill Abel? There were rumors that he was a con man and slick land fraud salesman from Vegas.

However, given that there were multiple stories about all the UFOs that could be sighted on any good weekend merely by sitting outside in one’s backyard while drinking a beer, it seems unlikely that Mr. Able was simply cashing in on the phenomena.

We only bring this up because…

The stories and sightings stopped for a time in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. Heck, for ALL of the 2000’s as far as we know. But we only even bring this up now because, yes, the rumors are starting again. There is something in the air in the early evening. late at night, and sometimes early morning in the Dolan Springs area. We have received multiple reports of (yup) saucer-shaped air vehicles zipping around in and out of the air space around the Dolan Springs area.

What about Dolan Springs?

Where the heck is and what the heck is Dolan Springs? Dolan Springs (just call it Dolan) is a small, population about 2,000 folks, just north of Kingman, Arizona, in Mohave County. Mohave County as you may recall is home to several paramilitary groups and was once the home of Timothy McVeigh, far right nutter who blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City with bulk fertilizer.

But I digress.. It is high desert and has some of the most beautiful Joshua Trees that you can imagine. California does not have the patent on pretty Joshua Trees, oh no. It is a beautiful area and bills itself as “the gateway to Lake Mead.” Further up the road is Meadview, with even less people.

When I had the opportunity to visit and work in and around Dolan Springs, it was a depressed area with a more elderly population. Now it has a range of ages with the 60 and older crowd making up about 30% of the population.

There was a high percentage of people who chose to “live off the grid” and subscribed to conspiracy theories in the 1990’s. So they were naturals to think they had seen UFOs. Yet the reports did seem high for an area with such a small number of people living there. And reports from all over, not just the same people over and over. And now the reports are coming in again. And again. And again.

No weekend rendezvous planned at this time

There were no nightime weekend rendezvous for Madam X and her entourage back in the early 1990’s or not even now I am sorry to say. Don’t think that we aren’t interested! We are. We really are. But it is just bad timing for us.

There you have it, dear reader, hopefully enough to wet your appetite to get out and actually LOOK at the sky, check out the moon and stars. Are there any space people out there? Flying crafts? Cigar-shaped objects orbiting the earth?

Stop washing your hands long enough to check out our world.

You see it, we share it.

Till next time,

Madam X